January 27, 2011

The Jackson Township Supervisors held their regular meeting at 7:00 p.m. at the Jackson Township Municipal Building. Members present were Supervisors Bruce Baker, John Wallet and Mark Westrick along with Secretary-Treasurer / Manager Dave Hirko and Solicitor Bill Barbin. The meeting was called to order by Bruce Baker, Chairman with the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag.

Board Roll Call was taken with all three Supervisors present.

Public Comments Concerning Agenda Items:

Westrick, second Wallet to approve the minutes of the Board of Supervisors Meetings held on December 30, 2010, January 3, 2011 and January 13, 2011. Vote-3 yes.

Township Financial Report:







$   89,102.77

$ 41,912.55

$       87,573.00

$   43,442.32


$ 682,307.73

$ 30,059.15

$       16,939.36

$ 695,427.52


$ 147,586.93

$       31.87

$       10,215.72

$ 137,403.08


$   32,506.33

$  2,621.00

$         2,825.80

$   32,301.53


$    1,801.83

$          .00

$                .00

$     1,801.83

Wallet, second Westrick to approve the bills for the period of December 31, 2010 through January 27, 2011. Vote-3 yes.

General Fund

Highway Aid Fund

Senior Center Fund

$      87,573.00

$      10,215.72

$        2,825.80

Township Police Report:
The December, 2010 Police Report statistics were as follows: 911 Calls dispatched to Police: 286 Reportable Part I Crimes: 1 broken down as follows: Burglaries-1. Reportable Part II Crimes: 13 broken down as follows: Disorderly Conduct-2, DUI (Driving While Under the Influence)-2, Vandalism-2, Public Drunkenness-1 Receiving Stolen Property-1 and all others-5. Calls Resulting in Cases: 12, Total Arrestees: 5, Total Suspects: 1, Total Victims: 8, DUI Arrests: 1, Traffic Citations: 6, Non-Traffic Citations: 1, Total Warnings: 0.


Old Business:

New Business:
Westrick, second Wallet to accept the resignation of Regina Barr from the Jackson Township Recreation Commission. Vote-3 yes.

Motion Wallet, second Westrick to appoint Tracey Heeney to the Jackson Township Recreation Commission to fill the remaining term left open by the resignation of Regina Barr. Vote-3 yes.

Motion Westrick, second Wallet to renew Amfire Mining road bond for a six month period to continue using 1.32 miles of Pike Road East. Vote-3 yes.

Motion Wallet, second Westrick to approve Capital Reserve Fund bill list for the period of December 31, 2010 through January 27, 2011 and transfer $ 16,939.36 from the Capital Reserve Fund to the General Fund. Vote-3 yes.



Purchase Detail



Pension payment for Bob Fatula

$    6,469.68


Pension payment for Melanie Rininger

$    6,469.68

Hegemann & Wray Engineering

Fords Corner Sewage Project

$    4,000.00



$ 16,939.36

Motion Westrick, second Wallet on approving the time sheets from December 26, 2010 through January 8, 2011 and January 9, 2011 through January 22, 2011. Vote-3 yes.

Other New Business:

Public Comments:
Eugene Kist said, yes. . .it says on here Pension Fund from 12/31/10 to 1/27/11, $6,469.68. Was that just for a month for a Pension Fund? Solicitor Barbin said, it’s for the annual payment. Kist asked, that’s per year? Barbin replied, yes, and it’s for last year, so that’s why Chief Fatula’s entitled to it. Kist said, on these pension funds, I’ll say they’ll break us over the years. Barbin replied, pensions are a big cost for governments all over this country. Kist said, we lost all of our pension benefits from Bethlehem and they’re a very large company. Jackson Township is not a large township . . .at the same time, where’s these revenues gonna come from? Barbin said, Jackson Township’s pensions is a defined contribution and not a defined benefit pension. They get that much put in. What they have in is what they get. There’s no guarantee they’ll pay any of them later. Bigger places have defined benefit plans. . .we have defined contribution. . . we promise we’ll put so much in your account and whatever happens to your account is what happens to your account. That’s a safe kind of pension. Kist said, you figure the State. . I forget what the population of your State Police is. . . 87% of them are on traffic control. The rest are on criminal or other jobs. . . now this is totally ridiculous. If we need traffic control officers, we can go down to the school and get high school kids to do that. This is totally ridiculous! We’re not gettin the criminals. We’re gettin traffic cops. That’s all we have and I say it’s way out of line.

Tom Beyer said, I stopped off to get the results on variance hearings and some of them. . .their outcomes are not in the box. I asked Dave and he said, go to the Zoning Hearing Board and they should have them and they told me, go talk to the Court Reporter. Who do I have to see to get the outcomes of the hearings? Solicitor Barbin asked, outcomes. . are you talking about the transcripts of the hearings? . . what was said during the hearings or are you talking about the decision? Beyer said, for outcomes, you should have something here at the Township Building. Barbin said, we have all the decisions. Tell us what ones are missing. Beyer replied, I don't have my paperwork with me. Barbin said, identify them for us. . we should have given you all the decisions. Beyer said, you should have given them to me when I asked. Barbin replied, if you're telling us we didn't, tell us what we didn't give you. That's simple. Beyer said, he sent me on a goose chase to go see the Zoning Hearing Board. Barbin said, if you think we didn't give you something, tell us what it is on a request form. The Zoning Hearing Board is independent. The send their decisions to the Township. I think Dave's gonna say, he made available to you everything they sent and if you tell us something wasn't sent there, then the first logical answer on Dave's part is, if what you said is true, maybe they didn't send it to us and you should ask him. That's the logical answer, but if you tell us what they are, we'll look for them because we should have them. . you're right. Manager Hirko said, I had all 3 file drawers of Zoning Hearing Board information on the table. Barbin said, what he told you is logical and made sense but if you tell us what they are, we'll go look for them.

George Burkey said, you know what we're doing with the Sewer Authority with the pressure testing. .we got a letter from Larry Custer that we may be able to get some help on that with that CDBG money. He wanted us to write him a letter which we copied the Township on that too. I'm just following up on that to see if you have agreed to use some of that money for this project. Supervisor Wallet asked, are you talking about helping low to moderate income people fix their sewer lines. . .same kind as help with the tap in fees? Burkey replied, yes. . .he said loans from USDA I think or somewhere. Chairman Baker asked, but he's talking about low interest loans? Burkey said, no. . he said CDBG money. Wallet said, well I can tell you for what we have allocated. . $110,000, that's committed this year. Rich Wray added, I think he's talking about the housing program. Baker said, I don't think it's the Township's portion of the CDBG. Wray said, no. . I think it's the Housing Assistance Program. Baker said, it's the same thing as when they do a new sewer or water project. Wallet asked, so that wouldn't be coming out of our allocation Rich? Wray answered, no. . it would not. It's an independent source of cash. Baker said, I believe but we'll talk to Larry. Burkey said, I understood that it was coming out of the allocation but I talked to him on the phone afterwards and then we also sent a copy of the letter to East Taylor, which they don't get an allocation, but they could get money from the County. Wallet said, the reason I said that George was because the magnitude of the amount of money is probably going to be around $10,000 and wouldn't go very far. Burkey said, it depends on how many low to moderate income there are. There was only one that got a low interest loan or grant out of the 200 homes on the Brazil-Cherrywood Project. I don't know how many there would be or wouldn't be but I'm just asking if something comes up, if the Township will help people. . you know. . .low income. . .there are some widows and retired people. . .it depends on how they fix the problem what it's going to cost. If they have a basement floor and want to dig it up, that's different but if they want to re-line the pipe, that's thousands of dollars. Wallet said, sawing the floor and taking the concrete out. . that's expensive. Burkey said, it's not as expensive to dig up the floor as putting new pipe in. We had to do it and thanks for sending a police officer down to the meeting. She came down and anyway. . there wasn't anybody too rowdy or anything like that. We explained to them it's a proven fact that 80% of the water is coming from laterals. It doesn't matter how much we fix their pipes. There was a man there that's on our system from East Taylor that works for Highland Sewer & Water and he explained to them to. . that up in Richland that every time it rained it popped the lid right off the manholes. They replaced their pipe because they thought they had problems and the next time it rained it popped the lid right off the manholes. . .the pipe didn't mean a thing. . it was all coming from the homes. Will Michaels asked, when you are talking about re-lining the pipe, what are you talkin there? Burkey said, they put a liner in. Wallet said, it's like a sock. . it's epoxy resin liner. Burkey continued, and they put something in there to open it up and it seals your whole pipe. Will Michaels asked, and you say that's expensive? Burkey replied, no but it's a lot more expensive than digging up your basement floor to put a new pipe in.

Eugene Kist said, Mr. Baker. . you said annual. . that's 4 times a year this pension? Solicitor Barbin said, annual means once a year. Kist said, ok. . once a year. . you figure that's $500 or over a month. . am I correct or not? Barbin said, we're reimbursed this number from the State. We pay this number in January and the State reimburses us in September. Kist said, it's still comin out my pocket no matter which way you look at it. . it's comin out of my pocket, but at the same time, my 32 years with Bethlehem. . what would I have and just take the interest on that. . I get nothin but I think this is throughly ridiculous. Barbin asked, giving him that much pension? Kist said, that's correct. . 32 years and I lost everything and you're supposed to be covered under the law. Now you add this up. . the interest on this money for 32 years, what would it amount to per month? Barbin said, it should come to a good pension. Kist said, in plain words, we're gettin the shaft. Will Michaels said, Eugene, you did. . we don't want to give the rest of them the shaft. Kist said, this makes me very angry. . I worked 32 years and didn't get one red cent. Here from my own money, I'm payin somebody. He's gettin more. . . .what do you think I got. . it makes me very angry. Barbin said, that may be so but we contribute something towards pension. . it's in the Police Contract. . it's not unreasonable to contribute towards a person's pension. Now. . we're in the non-risk kind. . we're in the contributory pension. . we give them the money and our obligation ends and we have no continuing obligation. Kist said, but it's still comin out of our pocket Bill. I don't give a darn which way you look at it. Barbin replied, but it's part of their pay and a full time employee is entitled to a reasonable pay. Kist asked, what do you think my wages were at one time? Barbin said, and you had a pension but unfortunately, the company took the money and went bankrupt. Kist asked again, what do you think my wages were? Barbin replied, really good. . not in the 40's but in the 50's and 60's pretty good. Kist said, I don't give a darn. . $30 a month to Uncle Sam. . now this makes me very angry when people get somethin handed to them and that and they're traffic directors if you put it down in plain darn words. Am I right or wrong? Look at your State payroll. .87% of them are on traffic but the rest of them don't. Barbin said, I'm not going to say that about our Police Department. Kist said, you people do it and I argue about it. Her children are gonna be hurt by this. . his and her children. You ain't hurtin yourselves. . you're hurtin that girl and her children. Her children's gonna be hurt. Just think about it. Thank you.

Chairman Baker
announced, The Board of Supervisors next regularly scheduled meetings will be held on Thursday, February 10, 2011 at 8:00 AM and Thursday, February 24, 2011 at 7:00 pm at the Jackson Township Municipal Building.

Wallet, second Westrick to adjourn the meeting at 7:15. Vote-3 yes.

Respectfully submitted,
David M. Hirko, Secretary