October 28, 2010

The Jackson Township Supervisors held their regular meeting at 5:30 p.m. at the Jackson Township Municipal Building. Members present were Supervisors Bruce Baker, John Wallet and Mark Westrick along with Secretary-Treasurer / Manager Dave Hirko and Solicitor Bill Barbin. The meeting was called to order by Bruce Baker, Chairman with the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag.

Board Roll Call was taken with all three Supervisors present.

Public Comments Concerning Agenda Items:

Wallet, second Westrick to approve the minutes of the Board of Supervisors Meetings held on September 30, 2010 and October 14, 2010. Vote-3 yes.

Township Financial Report:







$ 163,328.19

$ 30,800.49

$       57,973.59

$ 136,155.09


$ 677,605.70

$ 20,785.58

$                .00

$ 698,391.28


$ 148,780.96

$       31.07

$         4,324.20

$ 144,487.83


$  33,103.72

$  2,620.81

$         4,341.19

$   31,383.34


$    1,800.71

$          .37

$                .00

$     1,801.08

Westrick, second Wallet to approve the bills for the period of October 1, 2010 through October 28, 2010. Vote-3 yes.

General Fund

Highway Aid Fund

Senior Center Fund

$      57,973.59

$        4,324.20

$        4,341.19

Township Police Report
The September, 2010 Police Report statistics were as follows: 911 Calls dispatched to Police: 353 Reportable Part I Crimes: 8 broken down as follows: Larceny-5, Burglaries-2 and Arson-1. Reportable Part II Crimes: 15 broken down as follows: Vandalism-6, Disorderly Conduct-2, Liquor-2, Receiving Stolen Property-1 and All others-4. Calls Resulting in Cases: 18, Total Arrestees: 9, Total Suspects: 0, Total Victims: 5, DUI Arrests: 0, Traffic Citations: 38, Non-Traffic Citations: 12, Total Warnings: 2.


Old Business:

New Business:
Wallet, second Westrick to approve subdivision of Al & Rene Szekeresh. Vote-3 yes.

Motion Westrick, second Wallet to approve subdivision of Bernadett Ballow & Barbara A. Toth. Vote-3 yes.

Motion Wallet, second Westrick on approving the time sheets from September 19, 2010 through October 2, 2010 and October 3, 2010 through October 16, 2010. Vote-3 yes.

Other New Business:

Public Comments:
Eugene Kist said, I called Mr. Hirko over that sewer problem and I also called Ms. Sedlmeyer and they said that they put a seal in there. I called you. . I donít know whether you checked it or not. . .it was running rampant. Manager Hirko replied, she went out and checked it. Kist said, it was running and it run part of the day today. . itís not runnin now. What are you goin to do about that? Hirko asked, did you talk to Deb Sedlmeyer? Kist replied, I called and I left a message. Hirko said, sheíll probably call you back. They have to address that as a Sewage Agency. Kist said, there isnít no darn sense in that. . .raw sewage runnin right down the road. They said that they put a seal in the tank. Solicitor Barbin said, she said that she observed the seal. Kist said, yes. . but itís still running. It was running for 3 days rampant and itís real thick. Barbin said, you know what they say. . they always said there was nothin there and we inspected it and it turned out they was wrong and there was a pipe. They denied there was a pipe and they denied there was any overflow but they always said thereís also a spring running from up on the hillside. Iím not sayin youíre wrong. Kist said, it was tested by Mr. Harrasty over there and itís sewage so what would you say on that? . . itís sewage. . not spring water. Barbin said, well there could be two separate things happening at the same time. Iím not saying thatís true but it is possible. Kist said, when it run you could see it was green the other day. Thatís sewage in my estimation. . .I worked in enough of it I should know. Itís not running now. . this morning it was runnin real lightly unless the tankís leaking. If the tankís leavin, itíll do that. Years ago, I donít know if you gentlemen are familiar with it, they put tanks in and there was four holes in the bottom of the tank and I said that was wrong. They had four holes for the drainage to go down. . .itíll go down and back up. Now if that type of tankís in there itíll never hold. . you know what I mean? Itíll go down and stay in the ground. If thatís the tank, itís not a sealed tank because when I put them in, I never put that type of tank in. . . I said itís not right. Supervisor Wallet said, I would suggest Gene if you donít hear form Deb Sedlmeyer by tomorrow, Iíd call her again. Kist said, I will. Wallet said, thatís her Department and thatís her job to handle that and she should follow up with you if you talked to her. Kist said, see. . I went through a good bit of cost. . it was done with my own machine and I had pipe at that time . . about $187 a piece. I think I put 14 pipe in and right now itíd be worth over $300 a piece. You figure using a backhoe and puttin it in. . just think what a contractor would charge you and thatís around 200 feet of pipe I put in and thatís when you said it was illegal what I did. Barbin said, no what you did wasnít illegal. Barbin said, your quote in the paper said that I was illegal. You had water running down in front of your house. . you were right to put a pipe in and cover it. Now PennDOT has a right to say we want it if they choose to and if they donít choose to they donít choose to. They have a right to say, we demand it be constructed to certain specs but if they donít have specs, you have a right to cover the water that runs in front of your house. Kist said, I didnít want to cause those individuals any trouble. . .thatís why I went ahead and did it because thereís people rentin that place but thereís little children and I donít want them playin in that and itís right in the driveway and that and I said, well. . Iíll clean it up and put in the pipe. Barbin said, itís pretty clear the contractor with Larry Custer dug up the pipe during the water line project. Kist asked, are you familiar with those tanks they put the holes in the bottom of them? Thatís no doubt whatís in there. . thatís not a sealed tank. They put them in for years. I think it was wrong putting that tank in. Barbin said, that pipe could have function even beyond the sewage. Should I contact Larry? Rich Wray said, I totally agree. Thereís a one year period. . .we distributed all the documents to the contractor and Larry Custer and said, look, we need action taken on these deficiencies and Larry has not responded. He may be waiting for a Board Meeting next week. Kist said, thereís only one individual this is happening too. . the other individuals seem to be ok. There was little children walking through it the other day and they get on the school bus. . .with little children in school. . I donít like this. . they parade through this right here in Central Cambria which I think is wrong. In plain words, our hog pens. . .we took our shoes off to go in the house but this theyíre taking right into our school and I think itís wrong. Do you have children in Central Cambria?

Mary Dolan said, Iíd like to make a comment in regards to laying off Bob Fatula. I actually have a letter that I wrote up at my office but then people were hearing about it and people wanted to sign a petition. If you would like me to read it, I can read it. .itís not very long. The main thing that we said before that weíre concerned about is we donít have the right kind of coverage and I think even when this gentleman was talking about having 5 policemen, he may be under the impression that theyíre full time. Of course we know, theyíre not full time. We have one full time person and four part-time police and when someone says theyíre part time in my estimation that means they could work 10 hours. . they may work 20 hours. . I donít know what their hours are and probably neither does anyone else. I checked with the State Police and they claim that they got 25-35 calls in September and October and I think the people personally, one being my secretary who had a break in about 2 weeks ago Friday night at 9 oíclock. . thatís not very late and the State Police came. . not Jackson Township and Iím saying as a Senior Citizen and as a Business Owner Iím concerned that we donít have the proper coverage. I think if it gets out which it will that we have all part-time. . nothing against younger people holding a job but giving this experience to their experience, robberies are constant all the time around here. Everybody mentions what happened in the thirties or fifties but there wasnít the drug problem and the problems we are having now. . .itís making people steal. I mean we had $30,000 of steel stolen from our property alone and actually it was resolved. I donít think it would have been resolved had we not had that coverage at that time so itís the idea that times have changed and we have economy problems at our own business. For the first time in 40 years that we have lay offs. We sure didnít lay off our top workers. We laid off the lower people in the shop, called them back as soon as we could, laid them off and called them back. We had to do that three times and thatís the first in 35-40 years. I just have a problem with starting from the top if theyíre the most experienced. . . and you know everybody. . if itís a personal problem. . .everybody says itís economical but then asked the question, what is the wage difference? I bet if we checked his wage and the other full time wage and a part-time, we might see thereís not a lot of difference. Thatís another thing that should be considered is how much money did we save and after the last meeting they hired one more person and when I set there at the last meeting, they said we didnít need. . we were fully covered. . we didnít need anybody and I pick up the Journal and see we hired someone else. I think thatís very confusing about what weíre doing with our money and nothing against Nanty Glo Library but when I have to cut at my shop, I have to cut my donations and if we have to cut a police force and we can still donate $500 to a library. . .$500 is a lot of money to me if Iím having a hard time at my business and I think it should be a hard time for us. I get 4 or 5 letters a day from people asking for money and when times are good you can give a little bit but when theyíre not, you canít so why do we start with either Firemen or Policemen to get rid of when thatís what we really need in our Township. It just doesnít make any sense and this letter I am showing to people. . it also says Jackson Township tax payer, business owner, senior citizens and a registered voter I would like to express my concern on the layoff. From what I understand you decided to lay off the Police Chief for the following reason and thatís economical and if thatís the reason then I would like to know how comes we have four other people and how much are we paying them? I just think if someone has twenty-some years of service in our Township, he must have done something right for all those years or why did you keep him all those years. It just doesnít make any sense to me. We shouldnít have to be when we call. . Iím told the State Police from 1 in the morning till night they have one car on and if Jackson Townshipís not covered or anyone else and you call the State Police and theyíre doing something for themselves that they need to do. . they wonít come here. . they canít come here. . they may not come here till the next day. So if weíre in the midst of having someone break into a seniorís house, theyíre not going to get any help. Another thing about this part-time to the full-time person we kept, if sheís still in the reserves . . she was called to Iraq three times. Whatís to say sheís not gonna be called up again and then are we gonna have all part-time people? Chairman Baker said, donít lump part-time with inexperience though. These are officers who have full-time jobs elsewhere and they work here part-time. Dolan said, well thatís what Iím concerned about. Baker said, even that being said even when there is an officer on duty that does not mean theyíre gonna happen to be at the right place at the right time. We can fill 2 Ĺ shifts to one time what the Chiefís position was. Dolan asked, you can fill two and a half shifts. . the money value or what? Baker said, yes. . let me tell you something. . I went through it because of all the stuff I heard. This is the time sheets up to this date. Prior to the Chiefís layoff we had 116 open shifts. . 116 this year. Thatís something that weíre trying to make sure we get covered. Thereís a lot of times and itís not just recently that the State Police has been on call. . . lots. . more than anybody knows. We hired another part-timer because between this all transpiring, we have a great part-time police officer who was able to take a full-time position with benefits. Dolan asked, somewhere else? Baker replied, yes and I might add, not even in the police field because full-time police is very difficult at best to find work. He took this full-time job in another industry. You canít blame him. Dolan said, and youíre probably gonna be up against that. . we went to a four day week and we lost one person and it wasnít even a person that was on a four day week but they were afraid of it so thatís the other thing that I agree with. If you have all part-time people and they get another job offer, theyíre gone. Baker said, and itís nice to have. . the part-time officers do a great job. . thereís no two ways about it and if they werenít dedicated, they wouldnít be in that field and you got to be dedicated to be a police officer. Dolan asked, but youíre not dedicated if youíve already been one for 27 years? Baker said, but thatís not the issue. . .dedication wasnít the issue. .it was about the money. . . it was about the budget and we can cover more shifts. . . we can cover two and a half shifts compared to one and the bottom line is thatís where we end. Weíre trying to cover 21 shifts a week. . if we do it with 4 part-timers or 10 part-timers, the bottom line is still the same amount of money but rest assured, weíre trying to cover every shift and that is our intention. . we will do it but this isnít new. If you go back further than what I have done now and it was even worse . . the number of open shifts. Dolan said, that means youíve been running it wrong the last 27 years? Solicitor Barbin asked, how much taxes do you want to pay? Dolan said, I probably pay as much as anyone does in the Township with the property that we own. Baker said, to answer your questions, the best I can do right at this moment. Eugene Kist said, according to your sheet here though. . I said there before there was 30 some hundred people working. . most of these are traffic citations. Supervisor Wallet said, thatís true Gene but I agree with Mrs. Dolan that times of changed. Baker said, I agree with Eugeneís trying to say but then I disagree to a point where you need somebody out there 24 hours a day whether theyíre doing traffic or not. Supervisor Wallet said one instance was the bank was robbed in Vinco. We didnít have an officer on duty. . the State Police had to cover it. . the shift was open. . nobody was on. Kist said, ok. .go back in history when you only had two police. None of them were part-time. . .they were all full-time and you only had two on. Baker said, itís not a farce to say we have 24 hour coverage because if thereís an officer on or a shift is open, if that shiftís open, Pennsylvania State Police is on call. Dolan said, well sometimes when youíre saying like when Vinco was robbed in the middle of the day and the shift was open? Wallet replied, there was nobody on. Dolan said, it was open because somebody called off or it should have been covered that day or itís a time we donít cover? Baker replied, oh no. .itís a shift thatís supposed to have been covered but somebody didnít show up for work and then thatís an open shift. You just canít pick up the phone and call somebody at an hourís notice and expect them to come out. Dolan said, but when youíre saying you have full-time people, theyíre not there. . .whatís their hours? Baker answered, theyíre supposed to be but if they call off sick. . . who are we to decide whether or not theyíre sick? Saturday I had an officer with an ankle injury. . .couldnít come in so there was no one to cover that shift. Kist asked, how many convictions are they getting? Theyíre not getting no convictions and people are getting away. Baker said, there again. . there for awhile when we had some real issues, there was sometimes two policemen on a shift. Just because there was two on didnít mean they caught the house robber or the speeder or anybody else.

Chairman Baker
announced, The Board of Supervisors next regularly scheduled meetings will be held on Thursday, November 11, 2010 at 8:00 AM and Thursday, November 18, 2010 at 7:00 pm at the Jackson Township Municipal Building. Election Day is next Tuesday, November 2nd. Please take time to vote in this important election. A Veterans Day Program will be held on Thursday, November 11th at 11:00 am at Veterans Park to honor all veterans past and present. The program will feature special guest speaker, Retired Major Kenneth D. Kozak who served in Iraq , special music and the Menoher VFW Post 155 Honor Rifle Team. Come out and show your support to honor our veterans. Jackson Township will hold itís 5th Annual Light-Up Night at Veterans Park on Sunday, November 28, 2010 from 5:30 to 8:30 pm. There will be over 15,000 lights, trees decorated by businesses, organizations, churches and families, model train display, refreshments, caroling and a special visit from Santa.

Wallet, second Westrick to adjourn the meeting at 5:50 pm. Vote-3 yes.

Respectfully submitted,
David M. Hirko, Secretary