December 9, 2010

The Jackson Township Supervisors held their regular meeting at 8:00 a.m. at the Jackson Township Municipal Building. Members present were Supervisors Bruce Baker, John Wallet and Mark Westrick along with Secretary-Treasurer / Manager Dave Hirko and Solicitor Bill Barbin. The meeting was called to order by Chairman Bruce Baker with the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag.

Board Roll Call was taken with all three Supervisors present.

Public Comments Concerning Agenda Items:


Old Business:

New Business:
John Wallet
said, we need to fill George's position as Auditor. . we have a vacancy now that George resigned as Auditor.

Motion Wallet, second Westrick to appoint Toni Merlo to fill the unexpired term of George Burkey for the position of Township Auditor. The motion was opened up for public comment. Steve Yurasek said, you won't get a smarter person. . I can tell you that. That girl is a well educated person. She's a smart girl. . she's well educated and she's level headed. Chairman Baker said, we think so too. A vote was then taken. Vote-3 yes.

Other New Business:

Public Comments:
Eugene Kist
said, There are 67 counties in Pennsylvania, am I correct? Your townships and boroughs are in this. You Supervisors don't realize how powerful you are, the arm you have. You go to meetings. . .you let the people in Harrisburg dictate to you . . .you let the State dictate to you. You are their boss. The County isn't even your boss and it's sinful for what they're gettin away with. You figure these poor children. . .every one of you gentlemen in this room. . you're hurtin your own children by letting this happen. You need to voice you damn opinion when you're there. The State don't have a say so. . .they can say do this, do that. . no. You're an arm of theirs. . you tell them what to do. It's sinful and shameful what they're gettin away with. When you go to the meetings, do you gentlemen ever speak up? You have that right. You're elected by the public. Hey, Tuesday was a bad day. . I'll tell you what . . we're not fighting for the rights of our children. Our country's goin to Hell in plain words real fast. If I had to join the service again, I'd say no. I'd be ashamed to. Right now, you people are learnin. We have to fight for these kids and we're not doin it. The politicians are settin there. With Adolph Hitler, the Nazis took care of it. Chairman Baker said, you guys don't know how much time we put in, how many meetings we go to and I'll give you a for instance. . the Sewage Enforcement Agency. Without that it cost us a lot of money to enforce sewage in the Township. That Agency's ready to fail because there's no funding out there anymore for it. We invited our State Representatives. . everybody we could . . noone showed up. We wanted them to fight for us and to help get that State reimbursement. Kist said, well why don't you charge a little more? Baker replied, we do but the thing is it's not us who does something. . .it's the people who vote who put these guys in. Kist said, you're doin ok as far as I'm concerned. . you can always do better though. At the same time it's disgraceful. We're disgracing our children. Adolph Hitler took care of zoning to persecute the Jews and that. What we do, we elect our politicians and they persecute us. Am I right or wrong on that point? They're not worried about a damn thing. You have children, you have children, you have children. . everybody does. Baker said, we also belong to the Cambria County Association of Township Officials. Those are all your Supervisors who are supposed to get together and go to your local and State Legislation to get them to do things you need to do. Ask Mr. Burkey out of 29 Townships, how many show up at those monthly meetings? None. . five of us. Kist said, I went to all the hearings before when I was a Supervisor. . I moaned continuously. They said what are you worried about?. the State's runnin. I said bull. . . I am part of the State and Federal Government. What's happening to our country? I don't have to tell you gentlemen. You can see what's going on. The Japanese. . .we didn't win the war, we won the battle. That's all we won was the battle and it's up to you.

George Burkey said, last week or the week before we found somebody with a sump pump hooked into the sewer system. It wasn't there when we inspected it. . and this was on the new system. They took a picture and it was plastic pipe right into the sewer line. Tim was there and told her to get it out of there right away. He went back a week later and it's still there so our attorney sent her a letter. The Township's Ordinance (Tap In Ordinance) is the only thing that has any power in there to enforce anything with a $1,000 fine for our rules and regulations. We are going to prosecute anybody. . we know it's going to come back here but we don't have any power to fine anybody, but the Township does with the Ordinance. This can't go on. We're getting too much of this stuff into the system but that's what's causing. . .they think it's our lines that are leaking but our lines are all air tested and pressure tested and everything else when we put the system in. Maybe we have a leak here or there but nothing like we're getting. Solicitor Barbin said, the conclusion that's arrived at talking with the engineers in the Sewer Authorities I represent is 80% of the excess flow is coming from around the footprint of the house. There are manholes in some places that have cracks and leaks and some are in dips that collect water. The pipes, at least for the newer systems shouldn't be any problem at all. They're rubber gasketed pipes and they don't leak but whether it's foundations coming up. . . whether it's under house. . .the sewer drain's in the basement kind of thing or whether people just do it intentionally. Steve Yurasek said, when you hook onto those old terra cotta pipes and just run the pipe up to the house, you hook onto the old terra cotta line. . well. . everything's in there. Barbin said, you'll get everything from that pit that comes from the house. Yurasek said, in a lot of these places you got a pretty good spring. . you got that in there too. Burkey said, we have letters ready to go out. At our last meeting we made a motion to test everybody on this regional system. . pressure test their lines. . . anything under slab. Barbin said, Pegasus adopted that. Burkey said, we give them a year from January 1st through December 31st of 2011. Anybody that doesn't is going to get a surcharge. We're not going to get the same thing from Johnstown. They're going to surcharge us for every drop of water over the average flow that goes down there so we have to protect our system. We have one pump out right now where we put a bypass pump in. We had no bypass pumping before. . only one station down there at 12. We didn't have anything but now, since we did it last year we got a pump in there to take care of any excess. Eugene Kist said, you need to put that in the paper to let people know. Burkey said, we will. Barbin said, you'll tell Johnstown to so that they can include in the reports to DEP because that's real proper. That's substantial progress. Burkey said, all our lines are GPS'd. We got all our manholes. . .some of the view ports we couldn't find. . we had to send letters out where people buried them. Just wanted to let you know what we're doing and what we found. I know there's people out there with sump pumps tapped in but we got to find them. . . that's the hard part, but with the pressure test we ought to be able to take care of a lot of the problems.

Eugene Kist said, Mr. Baker, you're familiar that in Jackson Township I was arrested four times in the last month. . . .3 for speeding and 1 for dumping garbage. I give you people on the other two. . now the third one on the garbage, I was in Court on Tuesday and I won that and was found not guilty on that. Now when your Police Department goes way back . . just grudge picking and you gentlemen read those citations that I give ya. It's grudge picking. . that's all it was. I shouldn't have but I paid the fines. Now the one on the garbage, I got P.O'd. It cost me more to proceed with this then it would be to pay the fine. Now that's being stupid, which I am. Now you can check and see I won the case in Ebensburg. There's no damn sense in it. We gotta start working on principles and not the way it's been going. I'm sick and tired of it. Am I right? Tell me if I'm wrong. Chairman Baker asked, you weren't speeding, were you? Kist said, there's no sense the way it's goin. Your Police Department was followin the rules of somebody else and what somebody else told them to do. Baker said, our Police Department has been in a period of transition for the last few months. Kist said, there's no sense in it. We're supposed to be a reputable Township. You are all arms of the law and he's an Officer of the Court but at the same time, you can't let these things keep happenin. Baker said, we can't tell the Police how to enforce the Crimes Code Book. Kist replied, but don't forget, you're bosses. Solicitor Barbin said, there's a fine line in terms with us interfering on how police properly do it. What you're saying right here is we're doing it and we don't have any business telling them how to enforce the law. Kist said, yeas ago, the Police Department was a respected department. You know what they call them now? The call them pigs. Years ago they were respected. Today theyíre not. Itís sinful. . .todayís theyíre not. Let them start being respectful. . thatís no way to be. Barbin said, youír e absolutely right. Kist said, I showed them gentlemen the papers and itís wrong. Itís the idea of what theyíre doing. If they can do it against me they can do it to somebody else. I could come back and file suit against the Police Department but it would cost me money. I donít like this idea. Letís get things like this ironed out and stopped. As Supervisors, youíll be respected, not like some of the other ones were. Yurasek said, Eugene, thatís everything. You know it used to be churches in Cambria City. . theyíd never lock the church. You could go in, say a prayer for your mom and dad, light a candle and put the money in the basket and it would be there. Today you have to lock the churches. Even St. Stephens. . youíre down to one know. . the priest will tell you if you donít lock the church, theyíll come in and steal the candles and the money. Itís the mentality today. Kist said, you gentlemen are a part of it and so is everybody in this room. We got to stop things like this. Think of your children and your grandchildren. Barbin said, the government got to show respect for the citizens. Kist said, we export every thing except our prisoners. The State of Oregon. . if you throw a cigarette butt out, itís a $1,000 fine. They got chain gangs up there.

Chairman Baker
announced, The Board of Supervisors next scheduled meeting will be held on Thursday, December 30, 2010 at 7:00 pm.

Motion Wallet, second Westrick to adjourn the meeting at 8:16 am. Vote-3 yes.

Respectfully submitted,
David M. Hirko, Secretary